The Placebo Effect – Knee Surgery

I don’t know how this could be utilized
in actual medicine. Is it unethical to give a placebo to a person in real pain?

This was on a TV show i saw a week ago. I used it to improve a skin problem, it seems more effective than the medication I’d been using.

I’ve accumulated plenty of data regarding the placebo effect – with links and references – in my posts at theobservereffect(dot)com.

There is no question that the mind is the most powerful tool in physical healing; that “modern” medicine’s protocols are not dissimilar to the practices of shamans and witch doctors in their reliance on belief.

My apologies, anyway interestingly, there have been five studies where placebo surgery was used as a control. The placebo group generally did as well or better than the group receiving the real operation. Also look up “Kurdaitcha” in Wiki or ‘bone pointing’ if you are interested in learning about that

Yeah the reason why they can do it the mind has some reason but you know what science is most of it. They walk across hot coals really fast like an ant walks across hot sand. Same concept. They don’t absorb the heat so their soles of their feet aren’t affected. Plus the soles of your feet tend to be less tender than most parts of your body and yes I did that research. Sorry your theory is wrong.

Do some research: People walk barefoot on red-hot coals & they don’t get burnt at all. Why? Because they were convinced the coals wouldn’t hurt them, & hence that was their ‘reality’. Horseshit aswel?
No, you can’t fix a seriously injured limb with the mind if you think that’s absolutely impossible. You said it ‘I dont think my mind is going to..’. Hospitals/surgeons & drug companies do this all the time! its nothing new – Like how ‘witchdoctors’ could kill someone by pointing a bone at them.

Yeah I believe surgery should not be performed for arthritis period. If the arthritis is so bad that the knee cap is just worn away then a total knee replacement optimal. But I don’t think my mind is going to heal a dislocated, fractured, torn knee.

Yeah so if I believe that my fractured dislocated torn fucked up knee will heal if I just use my mind then it will be healed. That’s the most horseshit I’ve ever heard in my entire life. These people just had arthritis and yes you can cure that just with your mind. It more mind over matter. Not seriously injured knees.

“Throughout a two year follow-up, the 180 patients in the study were unaware whether they had received the “real” or placebo surgery….”
why don’t you read the info on the right hand corner? =P

seeing is believing

believe it , our mind is more powerful than a real surgery : a real patient how received a placebo surgery ( a unreal surgery ) is healed by the his own mind convinced that he received a real surgery. wake up guys to our mental power that we have all… of us, we are just a little asleep even not in nice dream almost nightmare

Also prove how ” faith healing ” is so succesfull.

this shows everything is just an illusion lmfao

Oddly enough, despite the overwhelming evidence that such surgery is no better than placebo, arthroscopic surgery is still the most commonly performed orthopedic surgery in the United States.

There were 180 participants in the initial study, divided into three groups: one group underwent cartilage debridement, the second group received lavage, and the third group received placebo surgeries.

Two new clinical research studies, involving 170 and 991 participants (and published last year in the New England Journal of Medicine), likewise determined that arthroscopic knee surgery was not associated with any measurable improvement in osteoarthritis symptoms.

How many patients did he do this too?

lol

I think that if most people understood how prevalent the placebo effect is in virtually *all* aspects of conventional medicine, most MDs would need to find other work.

did they get the option of paying with placebo ( fake) money after it was done and explained?

This is thought provocative !

Or, maybe, you are absolutely correct.

sweet, maybe im jumpin the gun but maybe its because everything is mind

Yes. Belief signifies an observational state in which one holds something to be true; there are few (if any) more powerful directive forces in human behavior. Beliefs change both the body’s sympathetic and parasympathetic systems; affect its endocrinological function; and, as recent research suggests, control the activity of our genes.

Many physicians know this. 45% of doctors surveyed prescribe placebos in regular practice, and 96% believe that placebos have real therapeutic effects.

This is FAITH or in other words belief

Nice video, the placebo effect is mentioned in the last book i read. “The brain that changes itself”

The placebo effect is a very interesting thing. The fact that pain can often be relieved through “simple” is a true testament to the power of the mind.