Runner with Knee Pain [Dr. Moe]

NO U

ur not a scientist, ur a fag

Biomedical science. Optical brain imaging, mostly cognitive stuff. I’ve worked with a lot of doctors and a few people in biomechanics and tissue engineering.

We seem to agree that skepticism doesn’t require a degree or a title like “doctor”, only a mind. I fully agree that you don’t have to be a scientist or know anything on this topic to question me. I only ask the same respect for my own inquiry.

No, you haven’t scared me. But that’s not what your sort of intimidation is about is it? It’s about trying to impress people with your, alleged, superior knowledge. Sadly you appear to be failing on all fronts.

Ah but then I don’t allege myself to be a ’scientist’ do I? Nor do I claim any medical knowledge. I am just someone that is concerned at your attitude. Oh and you still haven’t said what you’re a ’scientist’ of by the way……..

I’m not trying to intimidate anyone. I’m sorry that I seem to have scared you so much.

What would you say about what you’re doing, by the way? You haven’t brought *any* knowledge to bear on this discussion. Every one of your posts is rhetoric.

Ah right, so you have no medical knowledge nor do you, apparently, have any in depth knowledge of the methodology used.

You are merely using your title of ’scientist’ (and I’d be interested to know of what) as a title to try and intimidate both Dr Moe and the rest of us into accepting your own prejudices. Doesn’t appear to be working does it?

Yes, I do know what you’re driving at, and I don’t think it’s the right question. What I pointed out makes no reference to medicine and should require no such reference to answer.

Dr. Moe gave himself less leverage each time he pressed down on the patient’s leg, and then concluded that the leg was stronger each time. That’s like shutting your blinds and then concluding that the sun got dimmer — and you don’t need a degree in optics to figure out that that conclusion is flawed.

Neatly fielded I must say. You know what I was driving at, do you have knowledge of this area of medicine or are you just prejudicial based on your own assumptions? Some ’scientists’ don’t believe in the chiropracti ‘methodology’, but it works and has been proven to do so.

I’m a scientist. I’m asking methodological questions, not medical ones.

Are you a doctor? Or is it just a natural prejudice you’re showing here rather any actual medical knowledge?

This man isn’t just claiming to make the patient feel better. He is claiming to correct neurological and muscular problems. That’s what I’m disputing.

The use of the word ‘perceived’ makes it sound that you think patients don’t really know if they feel better or not. I think patients are very aware of their bodies and how they feel. If you have pain you may be ignorant of all the reasons why that pain is there but you do know if it goes away. Surely that is the key thing?

Are you saying the underlying mechanism doesn’t matter if the treatment is perceived to work?

Good video. Surely the key to all of this is if the patient feels a physical benefit from the treatment and are able to resume sports/work etc? Patients aren’t dumb – you may not know what’s been done to make you feel better but you know if you still have a problem or it’s been fixed. I find these videos fascinating – excellent.

That’s all well and good, but describing the effect doesn’t prove it happened. That’s why you test for it in the first place, isn’t it?

What I’m saying is that your test wasn’t consistent. If you had done it that way on a normal patient with no problems, it would have produced the same effect. So, it doesn’t even prove that anything is wrong, let alone that your treatment helped.

If you understand neurology you understand that nocoreception creates 1a deaffrentation to cerebellem which creates decrease raticular efferent firing creating ipsilateral extensor muscle weakness. I agree I should test at the knee which I will do in the future. I advise you do learn more about functional neurology, look up the Carrick institute for graduate studies.

Doc Moe

The first time you test the patient’s left leg, you press right next to his foot.

The second time you test, after having him look up and left, you press closer to the middle of his shin.

The third time, after having made your “adjustments”, you press right next to his knee.

Each time you have less and less leverage. Of course the patient’s leg “feels stronger.”

Do you not see this stuff yourself?

Doc, I admire your videos; keep up the good work.

way to speak the language dr. moe. Carrick Institute… unbelievable with the science based observation of chiropractic principles. You are going to lose that argument if you go against the neurological application. keep up the good work and keep posting videos, could i recommend a basic exam in determining extensor strength when compared to visual function?? thnks!

i have aquestion if i cant lift my leg to do a kick lets say karate style does it mean i have a bad back or bad hip?

It appears the ill will expressed is due to a lack of knowledge in the area. There is a significant difference between a functional deficit and an ablative lesion. It would behoove you to review Guyton & Hall, Kandel & Schwartz as well as Blumenfeld. Then, read Walther’s – Applied Kinesiology. The Carrick Institute also lends credence. I invite you to the clinic. Let’s discuss neurology.